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Post by madametarot on Jul 31, 2016 17:17:13 GMT 10
Err I read this a couple of times and I am not sure what the point was That's OK mate, just get a dictionary and a theasaurus and take it slowly, one word at a time. They're not real big words, Tute kept them simple. Otherwise it will mean about as much as a green carrot to you. 😈 So tell me what was the point of the post.
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Post by cster on Jul 31, 2016 17:20:39 GMT 10
SEDIBA Such is the backward world we live in. Racists like Sonia Kruger are given a national platform to play the victim, cry “unsafe” TV sensationalism, all for a purpose. Capitalism has found new ways to increase the exponential growth they want. Immigration is replacing the children we don't breed fast enough. There is a backlash play on by those vested in Elite Media. We all are fed it. We are an import nation, that in itself decries we have chosen the other nations rather than our own. There also lies a reason for fear.
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Post by Sediba on Jul 31, 2016 19:00:06 GMT 10
That's OK mate, just get a dictionary and a theasaurus and take it slowly, one word at a time. They're not real big words, Tute kept them simple. Otherwise it will mean about as much as a green carrot to you. 😈 So tell me what was the point of the post. Well he is saying that he is here today, wasn't here yesterday and won't be here tomorrow. Along with the dot points and Marcus Aurelius quotes he says, briefly, stop fighting, you're not here long enough to finish it. From there is the unspoken deduction that if you only look at one side of the picture that's the only side you see. So take a broader look and see everything. (I think he also said something about you arguing black should be white, but I'm not sure of that 😈) How that? No dictionary or theasaurus.
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Post by Sediba on Jul 31, 2016 19:07:44 GMT 10
SEDIBA Such is the backward world we live in. Racists like Sonia Kruger are given a national platform to play the victim, cry “unsafe” TV sensationalism, all for a purpose. Capitalism has found new ways to increase the exponential growth they want. Immigration is replacing the children we don't breed fast enough. There is a backlash play on by those vested in Elite Media. We all are fed it. We are an import nation, that in itself decries we have chosen the other nations rather than our own. There also lies a reason for fear. Yes, I agree. I tink. But wouldn't falling inflation, nearly zero, show that there is no exponential growth at the moment?
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Post by cster on Jul 31, 2016 19:40:52 GMT 10
Yes and I'm sure there is an equal measure of push from above to up the immigration rat to further their cause. Also from the Pensioners who have invested in property and shares they too want to make ends meet so they expect the powers that be to improve the turnover of the country. Media. Jerry Harvey is spruiking that his warehouses are full of last week stock so it sale sale sale.
The people of Oz have chosen to purchase from big warehouses like Bunnings and Wollies Aldi Bestandlest etc by and large they have given the power to supply to the people of big companies who don't it seems bother sourcing from little manufacturers in Oz. So they set up the shortfall in employment and create a housing shortage an they wont create jobs by buying Oz. They further this issue by not teaching their kids to be merchants its all jobs jobs jobs yet they wont create them for the kids. So what do they see? They see Indians running the servo and Chinese running the Takeaways and others known as foreigners running stores because they didn't educate their kids to be merchants and then they get scared. The media plays their fear. Ethically its incorrect to be annoyed that the country is going south, when they that created the southness are the ones being annoyed, So they hate the Ethnics the Aborigines anyone and everyone, they even degrade a person for being brought up in a department of housing home. ALL POWERED BY the MEDIA who seems to enjoy dividing the people anyplace, everyplace.
I should shut up I spose I personally hate df doof music
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Post by donte on Aug 1, 2016 7:42:11 GMT 10
Yes and I'm sure there is an equal measure of push from above to up the immigration rat to further their cause. Also from the Pensioners who have invested in property and shares they too want to make ends meet so they expect the powers that be to improve the turnover of the country. Media. Jerry Harvey is spruiking that his warehouses are full of last week stock so it sale sale sale. The people of Oz have chosen to purchase from big warehouses like Bunnings and Wollies Aldi Bestandlest etc by and large they have given the power to supply to the people of big companies who don't it seems bother sourcing from little manufacturers in Oz. So they set up the shortfall in employment and create a housing shortage an they wont create jobs by buying Oz. They further this issue by not teaching their kids to be merchants its all jobs jobs jobs yet they wont create them for the kids. So what do they see? They see Indians running the servo and Chinese running the Takeaways and others known as foreigners running stores because they didn't educate their kids to be merchants and then they get scared. The media plays their fear. Ethically its incorrect to be annoyed that the country is going south, when they that created the southness are the ones being annoyed, So they hate the Ethnics the Aborigines anyone and everyone, they even degrade a person for being brought up in a department of housing home. ALL POWERED BY the MEDIA who seems to enjoy dividing the people anyplace, everyplace. I should shut up I spose I personally hate df doof music
Pretty well on the button there Cster…. Though from a pensioners point of view there is no future in rising costs either. I for one prefer to not having a return on my savings and thereby piss the high end of town off by them not being able to gather their tithe by way of manipulating their monopoly on money. One has to keep in mind though, that we have been conditioned to living in a cost plus society and we have hard habits to break as to recognising a fair fee for ones labour. If rising costs are minimal then savings in the wee can hidden in the garden stay stable, if not you have to get out there and wheel and deal, a situation whereby the devil takes the hindmost and problems multiply exponentially.
The charging of interest and the accompanying ills of inflation that must accompany those procedures are also the very ills that upset cultures not born into, or prone to the concealed screwing so attached. Let alone the open theft that is not only condoned but heralded as being the pillars of society. Is there any wonder why we have partitions within our order… though some will maintain its just racial/cultural variances? Interestingly, you cannot charge interest under the monetary system of Mohammed.
I am certainly with you as to the doof doof
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Post by cster on Aug 1, 2016 11:36:34 GMT 10
Yes Thanks Donte' Doof Doof is indeed a pain. I am amazed at the desertification of the countries assets, once held as our finest inheritance. Party after party have sold it off. From that paradigm to the new one is hard to follow. No protests of any worth, as if we didn't care. Certainly no tomb stones to stare at to define the moment our parliaments learnt not to disobey us. In fact they seemed to have followed and taken their lead from us. I find it hard to go global in the mind, its as if we have to drop to the lowest standard and live that way. Not cosseted by the assets of the whole. Community was to be greater than its parts, why the parts decided they could serve themselves and not the community is beyond me. But we are watching the results of dropping the ball. With no nity in U anymore we have lost forever that which cossetted us so well. Is it any wonder we can do to the land what we do with what we do to ourselves so appalling.
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Post by alans on Aug 1, 2016 16:00:17 GMT 10
A few weeks ago, Radio National ran a segment on honesty and our changing attitudes to it. I made a few notes. Late last year the website Politico went on the hustings with Trump and they calculated that he averages at least one ‘mistruth’ every five minutes. The fact-checking site Politifact calculated that 76% of the statements he makes are false. From Donald Trump to ‘native’ advertising to online ‘influencers’, our understanding of honesty and deception seems to be getting increasingly blurry. But are we, in fact, far more comfortable as a society with high levels of exaggeration, spin and even lying? Do we naturally discount for deceit? And does the media we use actively encourage and even reward deception? It’s very hard to tell whether things have changed. Politicians have always lied, people have always used deceptive techniques to get what they wanted. What’s curious today is that whether it’s a political figure, whether it’s a business person, whether it’s a person in medicine or science or law, when they lie, we actually have the tools, we have Google and we have other ways of finding out rather quickly whether someone is telling the truth or not, and they still do it. That’s a little surprising. One of the problems is that they may not perceive it as a lie. In other words a lie is typically described as something that you know to be false. So a famous quote…one of our great presidents, John Kennedy, was interviewed on the 90th day after being elected President in the United States, and the reporter asked him what surprised you the most about becoming President, and he said that what surprised him was that things were actually as bad, in fact worse, than he had claimed that they were during the campaign. By the way, a politician may lie because they think they are doing it for the greater good. They genuinely believe that if they are elected, the country, the world, society will be better, and whatever it takes to get there they are going to do. Part of the problem in the public fora is that there is so much information out there, even though there have been many articles about the voracity of what presidential candidates in America are saying, people only read now those things that they want to read. You can select the news, you can select the analyses that you read, and so you don’t have to worry about being exposed to facts that may not agree with what you think or the person that you’ve agreed to support thinks. And leaves us more vulnerable to being deceived in certain ways. It leads us to create a world in our own heads, and in the long term is probably not healthy. We have problems, whether it’s climate change or race relations or fundamental issues about the economy where to the extent that we are not willing to listen to other people’s views, that we are looking for yes/no answers, simple answers, not complicated answers, we are not going to be able to collectively dissolve the problems that we face together. What a world we live in. Cheers, AlanS
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Post by epictetus on Aug 1, 2016 17:21:33 GMT 10
Ignorance and mendacity have always been driving forces in the human story.
Hearsay, rumour, fantasizing have evolved into myth and legend, which in turn have become foundation stories, the great epics of the cultures, some of which have become the foundation stories of religions as well.
Whether the storytellers, poets and chroniclers meant to tell lies, or just embellish what they had heard is a matter of some dispute, but if taken literally the national epics and the scriptural narratives are, in effect, lies, and the people who transmit them to others as if they were true are lying, even if they think it's for people's good and a core part of cherished traditions. Of course, if they really believe the myths are true, they're not lying, they're just gullible and ignorant. But what is it that drives their willful ignorance? A comfortable living in the case of some? I don't know.
Do politicians lie more than most other people or do they just get caught out more? Is there something about the egos of people who aspire to elected public office that makes them more mendacious than the average citizen, or is it that they believe lying to be a legitimate tactic in the political contest? Would we be driven to lie more if we were under pressure from our parties and the media all the time to maximise every moment for political gain?
I've only known a couple of politicians well enough to comment on their character - one was Labor, the other Liberal. Both men, in my view, were honourable and went into politics with a genuine intent to serve the public. One lost his seat in the 1975 landslide. The other did not recontest pre-selection after a couple of terms. I suspect politicians are no more natural liars than you or me (Donald Trump may be an exception; Richard Nixon certainly was), but they absorb the culture of mendacity that surrounds them and they have to use it as a tactic if they want to get on. Having said that, changing your mind is not proof of lying, though it might suggest some irresponsibility in the cause.
One wonders why politicians or candidates for office would lie as much now as they did (think of how much they lied in WWI and the Vietnam War days). It's so much easier to catch them out now. And many of them are lawyers; you'd think they'd be more careful. But perhaps we don't take the lies too seriously as long as they come from the lips of politicians we approve of. Do you think Trump's followers care if he lies every five minutes? They'd say Hillary lies before she even opens her mouth. And they don't want to remember the lies; they only remember the things that make them feel affirmed. It's a bit like gambling. You know that over time you're going to lose your money, but you keep going because you remember the time your numbers came up and the thrill it gave.
We know so much now, and there's so much to know and keep in mind. It's too much. We fall back on tribalism, intuition and charisma. "He's our man; he'll do the right thing, regardless of his faults; he's got what it takes. As long as he keeps on socking it to the other guy he's the one. Who cares if he tells a few 'porkies'; they all do". That's how people think, isn't it?
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Post by cster on Aug 1, 2016 19:09:05 GMT 10
Epic I think the last paragraph say's it in spades we are overwhelmed by content. The Media the biggest tool and what's worse they know they are a tool and prosper from it. We can become standoffish with adverts for cars etc and may not actually buy one anytime soon. That does not mean we do the same for the media's efforts (and I don't say we didn't deserve the losses we have had) when dealing with politics. Divide and concur is still observable by us and we didn't do anything about it. Divide and concur is also a great way to deal with the truth. Such as telling lies becomes telling furphies, embellishing, and no doubt a heap I cant remember. Ethically we are in for it if we don't contest it.
But what do we tell the 18 to 30 year olds to do. We it seems are still at work, many able to retire but the government's efforts to keep people at work is only short term useful, unethical? perhaps.
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Post by madametarot on Aug 2, 2016 7:20:22 GMT 10
Epic I think the last paragraph say's it in spades we are overwhelmed by content. The Media the biggest tool and what's worse they know they are a tool and prosper from it. We can become standoffish with adverts for cars etc and may not actually buy one anytime soon. That does not mean we do the same for the media's efforts (and I don't say we didn't deserve the losses we have had) when dealing with politics. Divide and concur is still observable by us and we didn't do anything about it. Divide and concur is also a great way to deal with the truth. Such as telling lies becomes telling furphies, embellishing, and no doubt a heap I cant remember. Ethically we are in for it if we don't contest it. But what do we tell the 18 to 30 year olds to do. We it seems are still at work, many able to retire but the government's efforts to keep people at work is only short term useful, unethical? perhaps. I don't tell the 18 to 30 year olds what to do, it is their world now I am just lingering, and should have little input into the future.
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Post by donte on Aug 2, 2016 9:20:33 GMT 10
I cannot see any point in adorning the views above, its all level headed ‘political think’ that ultimately reflects in the ballot box; so maintaining a status quo. What one can add however is a view that should Donald finally make the grade it will be the best thing for America. Simply because he reflects what the majority require with the least change involved. Hillary on the other hand is a recipe for never ending clitoral vibrations that do not auger well for the community at large. Apart from appeasing those residents well versed in obtaining recognition above their economic value.
If you recall, every media were crying foul when Regan was making/made the top slot. Yet he was one of their star performers. Nancy consulted the teacups every morning and gave Ronald his directions for the day…the vibes were watered down with male alacrity and everything turned out dandy. Donald will get the same well deliberated advice…. Nothing untoward will happen, and people will go about being people with little hoo ha attached.
Incidentally the wall already exists… its not a Trump invention…… the departing wonder actually enhanced it, the one thing he did do for racial harmony though was to venture into Cuba with a smile on his face.... and play golf
But I digress…..What would Donald really mean for us? Pauline is also a sign of the times but not of the gender set that motivates Hillaries activities. Pauline is a Trump and Should Trump become King then Paulines stakes will also rise pro rata. It has everything to do with nuts and keeping the hangers on from the upper end of town in correct proportions.
My formal education in economics has always kept me sceptical of political meanderings but thankfully my now convening years have managed to add a tweak of optimism combined to a touch of dark humour.
Just saying...
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Post by alans on Aug 5, 2016 20:19:32 GMT 10
Britain has just stated that the concept of MAD (mutually assured destruction) should continue by keeping atomic missiles and associated submarines. This means that atomic warfare can be kept at bay by making sure it can start at any moment. This must be political speak. It's nice to know that the people who are elected to keep us safe are so clear in their thinking.
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Post by cster on Aug 6, 2016 9:53:12 GMT 10
An Arsenal an Arsenal my Kingdom is an Arsenal. Its how the Kingdoms are kept at bay. Nothing to do with us, we plebes don't count, we are merely fodder for the corporations to use, we provide for them only consumerism, so they're capitalist companies can prosper. How ethical is it for the Olympics games to run a Global Warming story in the opening ceremony? The power of the Doomsayers.
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Post by mipela on Aug 6, 2016 10:56:22 GMT 10
Not very ethical at all Cster. Sad, ain't it.
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Post by mipela on Aug 6, 2016 10:58:13 GMT 10
Britain has just stated that the concept of MAD (mutually assured destruction) should continue by keeping atomic missiles and associated submarines. This means that atomic warfare can be kept at bay by making sure it can start at any moment. This must be political speak. It's nice to know that the people who are elected to keep us safe are so clear in their thinking. Doesn't say much for the intelligence of the electors, does it ?
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Post by alans on Aug 6, 2016 16:35:33 GMT 10
I thought the idea of running a global warming story in the opening ceremony was a good one. They also had each contestant place a seed in a device showing where they wanted the Olympic forest to be planted. Whilst we might not think much of the government of a country that despises its own people enough to put on the games in spite of their situation, at least they are trying to do something positive about the environment - or are claiming to, at any rate.
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Post by cster on Aug 7, 2016 11:23:49 GMT 10
Well at least the Aldebo effect in the Olympic forest will be changed from what it is at present. But it will take 30years to take a foot hold, and I fully expect we the planet will have removed a forest or two in that time, so the faint movement to plant will be swamped by the deforestation going on.
If we want to soften the Local effects of AGW (Anthropological Global Warming)we'd have to replace the entire wheat belt and reforest the whole Grazing properties from the NT border to the Highlands and the same for the SA border to the highlands.
That might give us the reserves we need to live through the summers here. But I must admit I'd miss the vista
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Post by alans on Aug 7, 2016 16:38:36 GMT 10
Hey, that's an idea. Then we could go back to making chipboard.
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Post by mipela on Aug 8, 2016 7:11:52 GMT 10
Whilst our elected intelligentsia are thinking about addressing and righting our past environmental stuff-ups, were I God, I would start a change in rural thinking and responsibility. As you travel, have you not noticed all the almost fully cleared areas of cropping and open grazing land ? (I've seen it across Qld, NSW Vic and SA. I often wonder how the birds get on, nowhere to nest) In my God garb, I would have the government subsidise landholders to plant 40m wide strips of native trees along all fence lines and waterways. I feel this would go partway to renew the past loss of biodiversity. Maybe it wouldn't be enough but it would be a step in the right direction.
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Post by cster on Aug 8, 2016 8:59:37 GMT 10
Yes good idea Mip and I'd add carbon content in the first yard of soil as a mandate, that may stop them desertifying the paddocks
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Post by cster on Aug 8, 2016 9:00:49 GMT 10
That's a good idea AlanS, but lets make the chips bigger this time. LOL
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Post by madametarot on Aug 8, 2016 12:06:48 GMT 10
Whilst our elected intelligentsia are thinking about addressing and righting our past environmental stuff-ups, were I God, I would start a change in rural thinking and responsibility. As you travel, have you not noticed all the almost fully cleared areas of cropping and open grazing land ? (I've seen it across Qld, NSW Vic and SA. I often wonder how the birds get on, nowhere to nest) In my God garb, I would have the government subsidise landholders to plant 40m wide strips of native trees along all fence lines and waterways. I feel this would go partway to renew the past loss of biodiversity. Maybe it wouldn't be enough but it would be a step in the right direction. Err not a very powerful God if God needs help from a council (grin)
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Post by alans on Aug 9, 2016 13:32:51 GMT 10
The people on the land claim that they know more about looking after it than anyone, which logically should be so. However, if we look around, a lot of the problems with the Barrier Reef are caused by the locals applying too much fertilizer, which just gets washed into the rivers, etc. This is happening all over. As we travel in our van, we see the green grass on the road side of the fences, but virtually bare earth on the farming side. It has been shown that if the cattle are moved on regularly, before they have eaten the grass to its roots, it comes up again quickly. This is what happens in the great African plains - the animals are constantly on the move. More fences and smaller paddocks are the way to go, so the mob can be kept on the move. We have to learn, as a nation, to use our resources more efficiently. The miles of unsealed canals around the Shepparton/Kyabram area are not efficient. Surely plastic lining would not be too hard to lay - or even something added to the water that sinks to seal the beds. Our fruit is sprayed with toxic chemicals which remain on the skins after picking - no wonder coroners are finding increased toxins in their work.
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Post by alans on Aug 9, 2016 16:09:11 GMT 10
There was an interesting piece in the New Scientist of this week. In part it read: "WHAT is a human? This is possibly the oldest question in the Western intellectual tradition. Today, there are three influential and competing definitions. The first is the Christian theological view that humans are made in the image of God. The second is a more philosophical position that defines humans as possessing certain capacities, such as self-consciousness and rationality. Finally, there is the biological view, where humans are defined – and differentiated from animals – by their DNA. This is more than an academic debate. Scholars have long argued that these definitions matter in the real world because they influence how people treat one another. Proponents of each definition claim that if the public accepts the "wrong" one, we will end up mistreating other humans. Christian theologians have long claimed, for example, that if we reject the idea that humans are made in God's image, we will no longer see them as sacred and begin to see them as entities we can use for our own ends. Things like torture would become more acceptable. Social scientists and bioethicists have similarly argued that the biological view leads people to think of humans – ever so slightly – as being like other animals or objects, and treat them as such. As a result, the argument goes, a practice like buying organs from poor people will seem more acceptable." We tend to think of ourselves as being apart from the rest of the animal world, but are we? When we think of the dinosaurs and their tiny brains existing for millions of years, we have been here for less than one million and seem to have buggered everything, is a big brain really all that wonderful?
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Post by mipela on Aug 9, 2016 17:06:36 GMT 10
No AlanS, I'd say not. At the rate we're going downhill, won't be long, the difference will become academic !
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Post by cster on Aug 9, 2016 17:16:05 GMT 10
AlanS there is a product called concrete cloth about 2 and a bit minutes of utube thy could resolve the issue easily if they wanted to. The albedo effect, is our doing, we changed that and we are paying for it. The farmers wont change, they do not blame themselves for the mess the soil (more like dirt) is in. We exacerbate it by oil and coal use. If we put the carbon that used to be in the soil back in it, we'd e short in the air again. Then we'd be reliant on the oil and coal to make it back up.
HAH the scientists think they can categorise us into the right one? sheesh, we sure are stuffed. I think read in Catholic school about mid 60's that there was 7 heavens to god. God being the 8th in harmonics. Know as the one or whole. That was Do = elements earth water fire etc, Ra = animals flock or herd stuff, me = humans, so there is four more where we can improve our disposition, before we get to be like they want us to be. How big a head we have will or must come in the next stages perhaps.
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Post by alans on Aug 9, 2016 20:03:51 GMT 10
Concrete cloth sounds really great. I wonder if our fearless leaders have heard of it?
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Post by mipela on Aug 10, 2016 7:33:21 GMT 10
Concrete cloth huh ? My mind boggles at the possible applications, especially passive house design/building. Thanks for that AlanS.
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Post by madametarot on Aug 10, 2016 8:31:37 GMT 10
Ethics is a nasty word - ethics of one group forced upon others has even caused world wars.
But taken in the moderate sense ethics can help us all.
Everything historical started out as survival and now we have affluence we can afford to be picky and choosy as to what we do.
Initially it was man seeking food and shelter, now it is about, health/medical break-throughs, not smoking, getting off the booze, retirement funds and overseas trips, retirement cars, big screen TVs, recreational vehicles and take away meals.
We (mankind) have not done much wrong, we did what was needed at the time - i.e chopped down trees for houses and hunted animals for food - later we farmed food and made bricks and other alternate building materials.
But at this juncture, in many instance we have sufficient affluence to afford choices.
But what annoys me is those who criticize the less fortunate who are not affluent enough to afford the choices. These people are spending 12 hours per day trying to get enough to eat and keep out of the elements (rain etc) so rain forest depletion is certainly not their priority when they awake each day.
As state govt Inspectors of Environment we received complaints about industry causing air pollution, excessive noise, water pollution and waste and we investigated.
The complainants tho were living in houses that were built by and from the industries they complained about.
Duh! Everyone wanted a concrete driveway but no one wanted a concrete batching plant or the trucks from the batching plant coming and going in their area.
So before you complain about industry you should relinquish any of that industries products that you have, otherwise you are a hypocrite, or something like that.
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