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Post by madametarot on Jan 11, 2018 17:59:44 GMT 10
Why is it that the average punter prefers to believe urban myths over science.
They do it all the time.
Even intelligent people would rather believe that a magnet will fix their aches and pains but an electro magnet like power lines will give them cancer.
Tats are good but coca cola is poison, and fake sugar will kill you but they do not know how, whereas sugar is proven to be bad.
I wonder how we progress?
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Post by forge on Jan 12, 2018 5:05:29 GMT 10
I do agree, Madtar! Forge, being a Medium Upper Left Punter, believes that the electro magnetism created by a 60KV. (Some are over 100KV.) transmission line is SAFE for human "consumption"!! The over-head electromagnetic generators ( transmission line = 60KV. and higher ) wires are far away...20 to 50 meters and…UP and away!!
WE MUST Keep up the good work/threads/posts!
Forge
PSS. I do believe that WE Seniors are PROGRESSING in the RIGHT direction of the Correct & True & Useful Knowledge!
WE must SHARE all OUR knowledge!!
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Post by cster on Jan 12, 2018 6:45:45 GMT 10
Good Subject MadmanT, Perhaps its marketing. You can sure hold a magnet in your hand and wont die. But the average punter who's forgetful has in the past pulled the jug cord out of the jug before turning off the power, and that has been seen as bad.
Everything gives you cancer if they tell you it does, Spooky scarey invisible stuff goes on ya know.
Maybe we're indoctrinated into believing, they start with nursery rhymes and work their way up to santa and god.
I'd say we're well indoctrinated into believing by then. Designed to believe Urban Myth.
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Post by madametarot on Jan 12, 2018 7:34:34 GMT 10
Good Subject MadmanT, Perhaps its marketing. You can sure hold a magnet in your hand and wont die. But the average punter who's forgetful has in the past pulled the jug cord out of the jug before turning off the power, and that has been seen as bad. Everything gives you cancer if they tell you it does, Spooky scarey invisible stuff goes on ya know. Maybe we're indoctrinated into believing, they start with nursery rhymes and work their way up to santa and god. I'd say we're well indoctrinated into believing by then. Designed to believe Urban Myth. You could be right, it is a progression of being told bullshit often enough to make us want to comply. The copper for arthritis got me. the punters 15 to 18 years ago who wore the copper rings and bracelets swore they workd but where are they now. Check out the Jelly Bean Lady aka Loretta Marron I have met her a few times she has busted health scams and had them taken off our govt subsidies she has saved us all millions. Ullo ullo they have her in Wiki now. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loretta_Marron |
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Post by BlueSky on Jan 12, 2018 12:45:14 GMT 10
Is the idea that there is an 'average punter' out there somewhere an urban myth?
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Post by cster on Jan 12, 2018 17:24:52 GMT 10
The average punter or the Mr Average was a news item in December last year. She is about 38 married and has two children. She's the driver for the economy and where everything is aimed.
The average old man only gets a by line for his role as unhappy waiter in shopping malls seen propped up against any object that's out of the way.
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Post by cster on Jan 12, 2018 17:29:20 GMT 10
How or where the once declared major age group the Baby Boomers fit into their new paradigm is anyone's guess.
I'd have it that the Seniors insurance ads are the only advert aimed at the majority group.
Perhaps the knee and hip ointments shown to allow oldies to suddenly rush out and become teenagers again is another one.
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Post by forge on Jan 13, 2018 6:20:14 GMT 10
BlueSky, STOP IT NOW!!! Leave MadTar ALONE!!! Capito!!?? He was managing 16 Companies and 8 Pizzeria/Coffee Shops!! He KNOWS WHAT he is NOT writing about! CAPITO,BlueSky??
Forge
PSS. Occasionally I do have the "feeling" that..too many circular rides on a 2 wheeled trike, does NOT help in the production of posts to be posted. I do know IT...I do ride a 2 wheeled Trike!!
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Post by madametarot on Jan 13, 2018 9:33:49 GMT 10
Is the idea that there is an 'average punter' out there somewhere an urban myth? There is not necessarily an average anything, by definition. ADJECTIVE constituting the result obtained by adding together several amounts and then dividing this total by the number of amounts: "the average temperature in May was 4°C below normal" synonyms: mean · median · medial · middle But of course no day in may had to be 4C below normal. |
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Post by forge on Jan 13, 2018 11:50:19 GMT 10
...and, here on the right...we have MadTar struggling...his "position" into the Smelly & Slippery Hole is becoming ...unflotable...he is sinking...into the Smelly & Slippery Messy Mess!!
Poor MadTar!!
Forge
PSS. THIS is NOT (at the moment!!) the Square Bowls Bowling Club!!!
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Post by cster on Jan 13, 2018 14:16:24 GMT 10
We'd be lucky to get real news over the manufactured news we see reported. Could Australia be that dull, one news item in the New England area of a snake bite. One incident in the Northern Territory with that lovely little teen Dolly. and then its off overseas for the real stuff it seams. Scandalous to me what we're not told.
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Post by BlueSky on Jan 13, 2018 15:58:40 GMT 10
@ acuppateanyarn.proboards.com/post/25239/threadLMAO I understand what madametarot is talking about, and as he says there is not necessarily an average anything. In that respect, it's just an abstraction and we all fit on the bell curve somewhere with the 'average punter' in the middle. Personally, I don't like the term because it's both reductive and used mainly in the negative, and for that reason I think it can be deceptive to both the person using it and for the hearer of it. @ acuppateanyarn.proboards.com/post/25242/threadAgree. Why aren't we hearing about the rampant rise of Artificial Intelligence and Augmented Reality? |
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Post by forge on Jan 13, 2018 17:03:49 GMT 10
Yes, Blue Sky!! ++ Why aren't we hearing about the rampant rise of Artificial Intelligence and Augmented Reality?++
The answers are very obvious: AI & AR are SILENT entities and...They do keep RAMPING/AUGMENTING...silently!! It is important that, when approaching a SILENT (or noisy!!) CURVE (with bell or trumpet!!) to decrease the speed of our Senior Citizens Super Sonic UNSTOPPABLE INTELLECTUAL REASONING SPEED!!
Forge
PSS. There should be 2 more BlueSky and one extra DarkSkyand ..one Cster!! GREAT Forum filled with GREAT posted posts!!
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Post by madametarot on Jan 14, 2018 6:48:34 GMT 10
@ acuppateanyarn.proboards.com/post/25239/threadLMAO I understand what madametarot is talking about, and as he says there is not necessarily an average anything. In that respect, it's just an abstraction and we all fit on the bell curve somewhere with the 'average punter' in the middle. Personally, I don't like the term because it's both reductive and used mainly in the negative, and for that reason I think it can be deceptive to both the person using it and for the hearer of it. @ acuppateanyarn.proboards.com/post/25242/threadAgree. Why aren't we hearing about the rampant rise of Artificial Intelligence and Augmented Reality? Arty fishal teligense. It aint new The issue is Protocols, as I will explain briefly. I did 28 years of Industrial Instrumentation and Process Control, and surprise, surprise, we computer controlled major industrial plant even back in the 1960s and before my time. We measured things that needed controlling, typically tank levels, temperatures and pressures, we set up desired values (what we wanted to control at) and then the computer looked at what amount the error was, how long it had been wrong and how fast it was changeing. The computer then sent a signal to a FINAL CONTROL ELEMENT typically a pneumatic controlled valvle with a large air bonnet actuator to open or close it a tad. The pneumatic controllers/computers simulated the mathematical functions of the error :- Proportional Integral and Derivitive. The all air controllers are still used as well as analogue computers and digital computers but for the heavy work we still use air pressure to open and close valves. So for machinery and plant covering a few acres of land basically we have always used artificial intelligence for repetitive and predictable calcualtions. Now of course, with chip technology we have cruise control in cars and miniaturisation of everything. The missing link is the protocols - industrially we have had it sussed for decades with annunciator alarms and trips for when it all goes pear shaped. So industrially we duplicate with one system doing the job and a second independant system checking and advising the operator that he should interfere or actually taking action itself (automatic shutting down). The supevisory computers for industry are called PLCs (Programmable Logic Controllers) and previously they were LCs Logic Controllers and were not programmable but hard wired typical functions were And (if this AND that happened then the result wouldbe XXX) There were also NAND (NOT and) and OR and NOR (NOT OR) Queensland Nickel had another one called Permissive IFs, So the development of artificial intelligence is all about getting the PROTOCOLS right "Permissive ifs" confused the operators and we had maintenance call-outs with nothing wrong. Typically Permissive Ifs were used on conveyor belt control starts and stops and they allowed the belt to be stopped and started from in the field or the control room dependant on where it was stopped or started (the permissive part). Anyway artificial intelligence for specified tasks is not a problem, the problem is the PROTOCOLs (what the supervisory limits are) In the words of Popeye "A fascinating subject" Protocols that is the issue. Take a task like setting a mouse trap with bait - what are the "protocols". They are obvious to us but to do it with a machine the machine needs to know the protocols for the safe setting of the m trap and including the location of a set trap and removal and disposal of the critter. |
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Post by BlueSky on Jan 15, 2018 11:47:45 GMT 10
I think the key is that the systems you talked about required human input:
We measured things that needed controlling, typically tank levels, temperatures and pressures, we set up desired values (what we wanted to control at) and then the computer looked at what amount the error was, how long it had been wrong and how fast it was changeing.
Whereas AI is defined thusly:
The theory and development of computer systems able to perform tasks normally requiring human intelligence, such as visual perception, speech recognition, decision-making, and translation between languages.
Humans create them, but from that point on the AI is fully autonomous, no human . So if we take your mousetrap:
Take a task like setting a mouse trap with bait - what are the "protocols". They are obvious to us but to do it with a machine the machine needs to know the protocols for the safe setting of the m trap and including the location of a set trap and removal and disposal of the critter.
As AI is defined above, a machine might decide it doesn't like killing mice; instead, it might make friends with it; or it might decide to kill it more efficiently; it may choose to simply ignore it; it might build something else from the mousetrap; or it may just decide it wants to go on a holiday and think nothing more about it.
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Post by cster on Jan 16, 2018 6:09:19 GMT 10
Blusky if it "may just decide to go on a holiday and think nothing more about it" Would that make it a windows AI device? They seem to have that problem of thinking.
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Post by madametarot on Jan 16, 2018 19:37:33 GMT 10
It is still about the protocols, do you want your machine to respond to voice or to decide what to do next, to do or not to do what, and under what circumstances.
The more complex the tasks are the more protocols there are that need to be addressed/set (defined).
Tis not technology 'tis that is the limit 'tis protocols.
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