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Post by madametarot on Sept 10, 2019 15:08:02 GMT 10
For 18 years my paid job was to save the world, it looks like I failed.
So Greg, you are probably right, I have learned nothing especially nothing at school.
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Post by cster on Sept 10, 2019 18:20:14 GMT 10
Sitting still reading all of this? Reckon ya'll are sitting still? Your on a planet that's orbiting a Star at 30km a second That Star is orbiting its Galaxy at 250km a second That Galaxy you're in is moving through the Universe at 600km a second
You are currently on a space ship 4.5 billion years old, (How's the maintenance?) A self sufficient organic complex spaceship You are orbiting on it a energy source a Billion times larger There are 200 Billion other Energy Sources with spaceships possibly like your in our group There are 40 odd groups in our neighbourhood Your Neighbourhood is moving at say 2million miles an hour towards an object 150 Million light years away Which keeps moving. Welcome to Life It's more exciting the larger the picture is HUH?
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Post by Otis Dictum on Sept 11, 2019 7:40:15 GMT 10
Sitting still reading all of this? Reckon ya'll are sitting still? Your on a planet that's orbiting a Star at 30km a second That Star is orbiting its Galaxy at 250km a second That Galaxy you're in is moving through the Universe at 600km a second You are currently on a space ship 4.5 billion years old, (How's the maintenance?) A self sufficient organic complex spaceship You are orbiting on it a energy source a Billion times larger There are 200 Billion other Energy Sources with spaceships possibly like your in our group There are 40 odd groups in our neighbourhood Your Neighbourhood is moving at say 2million miles an hour towards an object 150 Million light years away Which keeps moving. Welcome to Life It's more exciting the larger the picture is HUH? I'll say....Since last June some of the most powerful radio telescopes on Earth have been eavesdropping on more than a thousand star systems, so far reporting a clear and deafening silence. In the event that aliens ever contact Earth, we should be clear on one thing: do not hold a referendum to decide what to do next, or worse, leave scientists in charge of Earth’s official response. Despite the speculative nature of the question, whether and how to engage with little green men, or even a genderless conscious goo would stuff the best of those white coats.
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Post by cster on Sept 11, 2019 16:53:25 GMT 10
Yes firstly lets not join the Universe as we would have one hell of a time exiting form it. Look at Brexit for instance
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Post by cster on Sept 11, 2019 18:56:03 GMT 10
So James Tour doesn't know. It's like we don't know, you ask the question and they shrug their shoulders and say we don't know. Look at me and I'll say I don't know. Glad we worked that out
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Post by Sediba on Sept 15, 2019 16:56:40 GMT 10
A suitable modification to one of twenty enzymes to drive a change in a protein that manages to be of use is One trillion trillion trillion trillion to one. Kind of shoots the Annunaki stories in the foot doesn't it. All fundamentalists rely on this argument to deride Evolution. In Tute's video this argument is used. The reason these odds defy 'common sense' is because those whose 'common sense' is being defied are mathematically illiterate. If you placed $1000 on Slippery Sun and he came home a winner at 10,000 to 1 you'd be justified in thinking you were lucky. But 10,000 to 1 is just that. It means that in 10,000 races a 10,000 to 1 winner will win, must win. And if he doesn't then he will certainly win in the next 10,000. Statistics don't lie. What would be really incredible is that if Slippery Sun (who always starts at 10,000 to 1) hadn't won a race after 1,000,000 entries. (Please don't use the argument no racehorse can run million races.) A protein can. A virus can go through a billion mutations in just a few days. That's why AIDS and other viral illnesses are so hard to fight. And yet if you had to, if you faced death through a viral illness you'd be praying for these odds. Just like Col says, there's no God in medicine. Your crap ideas, and Tute's, rely on the fact that generational change is slow, odds are infinitely improbable, ergo: it's impossible for evolution to make sense. This is an anthropocentric view. Meaning you can't see beyond your primate nose, the Sun rises every day just for you, and everything smells fishy. But at the particle level, the level that builds DNA, a trillion trillion trillion changes are occuring every trillionth of a trillionth of a trillionth of a second. At that rate those odds come up every nano-second. And that's all it takes to change a protein. Kinda puts a different light on it, doesn't it? Suitable modifications must occur there, and they do all the time. That's why we are here. Trillion trillion trillion to One shots come up all the time. In fact they must. It's only ignorance of these odds that allow fundamentalists to argue that evolution is impossible. BTW Cster, how many zeros in a trillion trillion trillion? Tute, how many? You should know, you've put forward your video arguing the impossibility of these odds. Lets say a trillion has a 1 followed by 12 zeros. A trillion trillion trillion would have 36 zeros? (10^36) Wouldn't it When you strike a match you involve 10^21 particles (a 1 followed by 21 zeros) and you release 4 billion trillion electron volts. Just in a match. Stick with your crap uneducated ideas, you believe they've got you this far, they'll get you in ignorance to the end. It's not mandatory you enlighten yourself. Like the Ant on the chariot wheel, who looks around and says, 'What a dust do I raise.' Please Pali, no illiterate comeback, I'm tired of scrolling past the crap you post. Stay mute. No offence to you great guys, just your sub-standard education is all I'm criticising. Kisses to all.
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Post by Sediba on Sept 15, 2019 17:41:31 GMT 10
For 18 years my paid job was to save the world. What control room were you pulling the levers from? Some cloud nine somewhere? Who had the job before you. Sometimes Col your posts remind me of the last speech given By Yippy-Yappy-Happy, the mayor of Nagasaki, just at the point where he paused and said, ‘What the phuck was that noise?’ Just like Yippy, you’ll never know the answer. 🌹
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Post by Sediba on Sept 15, 2019 18:57:34 GMT 10
Col, should you accept this challenge you will need to ponder the latter prospect in total, by doing so you will need to remove all Deity related religions from your thesis completely... that being all! holus bolus, zilch, naught, nuffink, and no cheating now. What form will your new society take. Think about it and let me know... I am curious as to what purpose would folk then serve in society and how would you personally serve? I accept. So, to start, what purpose do ‘folk’ serve? Try to make your reply’s a little more relevant than your normal shiiite.
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Post by tute on Sept 16, 2019 5:40:46 GMT 10
Oh Dear!. Sed, your explanation for the race horse 'Slippery Sun' makes absolutely no sense. The odds for horse racing are derived from dollar multiplications on a starting price given the form of the horse against the form of its competitors. It has nothing at all to do with the fractional odds on its longevity. But more to the point about the discussion on creativity vs evolution. You are way out of kilter with the numbers and the odds as to the amino acid split. Not that it really makes any difference at the end of the day; though I will point out the numbers quoted by the participants within the video in question (in the instance you are quoting) as I recall were 10 to the power of 70. Although (I guess important to the outcome of creation vs evolution) its of little importance to us here beyond the fact that you obviously did not watch the interview, you took it that Cster had quoted the numbers ver batim. The argument therefore (here and now) is not about what Cster or Tute may think about any authenticity within a videoed philosophic discussion, its about what Sed wants to childishly negate in order for him to continue to back the past their use by date theories on evolution. ... jayzuz talk about a lost cause. Bear in mind Sed ... Cster and Tute are the ones with the open minds here... whereas Col on the other hand is still struggling to find his... and our Italian cobber is resolute in the belief its all too hard anyway Not only but also, Because of the very nature of religions they can be no more then a prophetic authority, all encompassing maybe but nevertheless confined for further growth activity .... whereas science has the ability to mix, match, manipulate and exploit. Its a wonderful world.... apart from the deceit. Hmmm ... ‘Fundamentalism’ it must be the ‘in’ buzz word huh! ....and also Sed, you are correct ‘It's not mandatory you enlighten yourself’
and Tute would like to add.... 'Or open your mind'
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Post by Pedro on Sept 16, 2019 6:13:04 GMT 10
Pedro does NOT think "it is all too hard anyway" . Like ALL pastimes, it matters NOT how hard/intelligent they are (or regarded as such!). WE ALL need a reason/way to spend/waste our EMPTY FREE TIME! Millions of people ( for thousands of years) have wasted/are wasting their free time in arguing on practically IRRELEVANT subjects. It all depends on how interesting has been/is your life. Tell me about YOUR pastimes and Pedro will know if it is worth wasting his time if you are....! PS. NEVER forget that this is a Senior Forum for Seniors chasing relevance to REAL LIFE!! WE should NOT take ourselves/OUR posts TOO seriously, THIS is a SENIORS Forum!!!
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Post by tute on Sept 16, 2019 6:14:19 GMT 10
Col, should you accept this challenge you will need to ponder the latter prospect in total, by doing so you will need to remove all Deity related religions from your thesis completely... that being all! holus bolus, zilch, naught, nuffink, and no cheating now. What form will your new society take. Think about it and let me know... I am curious as to what purpose would folk then serve in society and how would you personally serve? I accept. So, to start, what purpose do ‘folk’ serve? Try to make your reply’s a little more relevant than your normal shiiite. The purpose of life is not to be happy. It is to be useful, to be honorable, to be compassionate, to have it make some difference that you have lived and lived well.” “The purpose of life is to live it, to taste experience to the utmost, to reach out eagerly and without fear for newer and richer experience.” Not necessarily my words Sed... but close enough. Also to serve in the continuance of freedom for all would rate highly for my purposes.
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Post by Sediba on Sept 16, 2019 7:59:55 GMT 10
So, how does a roo, or a koala, or a meat ant, strive not to be happy, but useful, honorable, compassionate, to make a difference, to live well, to reach out eagerly, without fear towards a newer and richer experience?
Remember the challenge ... he who asserts must prove.
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Post by madametarot on Sept 16, 2019 9:02:35 GMT 10
For 18 years my paid job was to save the world. What control room were you pulling the levers from? Some cloud nine somewhere? Who had the job before you. Sometimes Col your posts remind me of the last speech given By Yippy-Yappy-Happy, the mayor of Nagasaki, just at the point where he paused and said, ‘What the phuck was that noise?’ Just like Yippy, you’ll never know the answer. 🌹 Re job and levers and control room:- Senior Inspector of Environment EPA Qld Governement Mary Street Brisbane, Edward St Brisbane and Ann St Brisbane and a variety of Q govt cars between listening to the cricket and ignoring smokey chimneys.
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Post by madametarot on Sept 16, 2019 9:14:14 GMT 10
The DNA ultimate deal is being over-ruled by what I call "grigerly grubs" (aka billions of bacteria within us), scientific research Work is progressing on that.
Little fleas have littler fleas Upon their backs to bite em And so on Ad-infinitum.
Henseforth we(s)(s for plural we) have 2 brains one in our stomachs and one in our head (or ass as it may be).
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Post by cster on Sept 16, 2019 11:42:38 GMT 10
I'm all for speculation Sed, The quote was (10^77th power) So we can add a few extra zero's. I am rather excited to hear you deride those that deny the Annunaki stories. I do enjoy some of them from the UFO sites but they are as far fetched as religion can get. Evolution is fine by me, infact it would be good if you could explain to those three book writers the complexities of multiple trillion actions occurring at once within our DNA so they can relax a little.
My understanding of God isn't of a being but as I have eluded before if it was then he'd have to have created the big bang in a synapse in his brain as the thought occurred to him. So as above so is below. So is within our synapses firing must also be creating a big bang of some sort, although observing other drivers on our roads some of us aren't ever going to strike a light let alone build a universe.
So from your 10^36 power to the mentioned 10^77 power is just a lot of zero's and that amount to a lot of naught.
But it's fun to speculate.
When Slippry Sam runs his 9.999th race do let me know if he hasn't as yet won a race I'm putting my money forward just in case.
Sediba I have seen the muscles on some of those Roo's out there and I'd be pretty happy if I looked that pumped. You may be right about the Koala's, I'm reasonably sure they'd be happier on hemp rather than Eucalypts.
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Post by tute on Sept 17, 2019 7:46:47 GMT 10
Pedro does NOT think "it is all too hard anyway" . Like ALL pastimes, it matters NOT how hard/intelligent they are (or regarded as such!). WE ALL need a reason/way to spend/waste our EMPTY FREE TIME! Millions of people ( for thousands of years) have wasted/are wasting their free time in arguing on practically IRRELEVANT subjects. It all depends on how interesting has been/is your life. Tell me about YOUR pastimes and Pedro will know if it is worth wasting his time if you are....! PS. NEVER forget that this is a Senior Forum for Seniors chasing relevance to REAL LIFE!! WE should NOT take ourselves/OUR posts TOO seriously, THIS is a SENIORS Forum!!! Ah yes Pedro, though you are only part correct. Whether one wastes their time in a group such as this is an individuals requirement, therefore unless you have developed some form of social disorder (such as multi personality) one would not be bothered to spend time here. Pedro, you continually remind us that there have been like type folk having these like type discussions for thousands of years. We were aware of that of course, we were also conscious of the fact that thousands of years ago skeptical old coots were on the sidelines rabbiting on about how ultimately useless the ratio of input vs outcome was. (I would like to take this opportunity to add that the closer to the ACT one resides the less the chances there are of any deviancy within those ratios) Not only but also... Though Tute is about to have another break from this forum, I would like to say that my time on this site up to now has been personally beneficial .... by that I mean where else can I go to team up with an ancient old skeptic who if I reveal my pastimes to him he will tell me his fortune. You are not of Irish/Gypsy decent are you?
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Post by Pedro on Sept 17, 2019 9:19:25 GMT 10
As long AS YOU are happy with yourself...ALL is fine!! It is very UNLIKELY that Pedro will bother Tute/people by saying WHAT they should do and/or what Pedro used to do/be/is!! It would NOT make ANY difference to...ANY or BODY or Else! If you NEED that others like/answer/comment on OUR posts...WE MUST say/write what OTHERS want to see written!! TUTE is THAT ALL important to you? Will IT change your life style? Tute, do not waste your time with Pedro...THERE are PLENTY of ancient old skeptics,Irish,Gypsy...some decent and some UNdecents!!
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Post by madametarot on Sept 17, 2019 15:06:48 GMT 10
Never mind Pedro the aborigines of Oz could only study their reflections in muddy pools of water for some 40,000 - 60,000 years. They did not know Friday from Monday or enough lingo to havachat with another tribe.
So Pedro, all your "it has all been done before" is not universally/globally accurate.
Yous is well orf avin' us critters in ere for a chinwag.
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Post by epictetus on Sept 18, 2019 11:58:40 GMT 10
... the aborigines of Oz could only study their reflections in muddy pools of water for some 40,000 - 60,000 years. I was struck by this and googled to find out why the Aboriginal people didn't invent much technology. There's an interesting explanation at the link below. It's also a good reply to people who think the Aborigines were just primitive nomads. www.quora.com/Why-did-Australian-Aborigines-never-invent-the-wheel-or-pantsA theological friend has also written a piece that concludes: I would argue then, that Aboriginal culture has a valuable lesson to teach Western society. Instead of using new technologies to sustain a never-satisfied craving for more goods and services that probably violates the Commandment against “coveting” (Exodus 20), Aboriginal culture utilised technology in the service of leisure and the liberal activities that make persons more cultured and more civilised. This simple, but powerful, contrast between economic visions means that Aboriginal culture can offer the solution to some pressing social concerns facing Western society. That is, by prioritising the liberal realm over the material, Aboriginal people provide a valuable lesson in leisure, a lesson that has been forgotten by a technology-obsessed society and a lesson that can be re-taught and augmented by the Aboriginal people’s way of life.
If we recall that John Paul II bases Catholic Social teaching not on the value of material goods, but in the dignity of the human person (Sollicitudo Rei Socialis n41), it would seem that Aboriginal “economics” and social morality can teach Catholics, and society in general, a valuable lesson in human dignity.I think the full piece is a chapter in a book, but I don't have a link address for it.
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Post by Sediba on Sept 18, 2019 15:40:30 GMT 10
Thanx Epic. Col is just illiterate white-trash, makes me ashamed. But I didn' want to insult him again an again. I was gunna delete his post, but your polite put down is fine.
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Post by epictetus on Sept 19, 2019 16:28:16 GMT 10
Thanx Epic. Col is just illiterate white-trash, makes me ashamed. But I didn' want to insult him again an again. I was gunna delete his post, but your polite put down is fine. It wasn't meant as a put-down. Just what I found and that I thought was useful knowledge.
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Post by madametarot on Sept 20, 2019 14:35:53 GMT 10
Thanx Epic. Col is just illiterate white-trash, makes me ashamed. But I didn' want to insult him again an again. I was gunna delete his post, but your polite put down is fine. It wasn't meant as a put-down. Just what I found and that I thought was useful knowledge. Thanks Epic. I might be white trash compared to what, certainly not Greg. Greg needs a proper look at his glass house before he throws stones (trash).
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Post by cster on Sept 20, 2019 19:38:48 GMT 10
Yes the Aborigines lived in Utopia, then along came the Poms and Buggered that up. Shows what happens when ya help people who visit your island. I bet thy wont do that again.
Well Utopia except they didn't have Horses or Bikes.
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Post by Pedro on Sept 21, 2019 6:15:47 GMT 10
WHITE?GREEN?BROWN?YELLOW?RED?DARKBLACK? Are WE ALL horsless & bikeless & teaspoonless trash? Same OLD NEWS!!! BLASTED UTOPIA has struck...AGAIN!!!
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Post by tute on Sept 27, 2019 8:36:13 GMT 10
Survival of the fittest... I would suppose....... Bwaaahhhhhhh
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Post by Sediba on Sept 27, 2019 21:38:25 GMT 10
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Post by Sediba on Sept 27, 2019 21:53:34 GMT 10
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Post by Sediba on Sept 27, 2019 21:55:33 GMT 10
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Post by epictetus on Sept 28, 2019 5:15:40 GMT 10
Is anyone going after her looks and differences (though she looked like she was having a meltdown)? Is Aspergers the new victim fashion? Churchill had Aspergers, but it wasn't talked about in his day, so he didn't trade on it or attract sympathy for it. To me, Greta is the fire and brimstone preacher, popular in the frigid climes of Sweden not so long ago. The choking voice and twisted features are theatre for the audience, though heartfelt for this traumatised girl. Her pitch is extreme and subject to sober challenge, as I have read. Of course, she might be right. I don't know. Apocalyptic prophesy has always had a way of being wrong, but I guess it could be right now. Whatever happened to the fear of nuclear fallout? Doesn't that count any more? Plagues and epidemics? Wars of attrition? All swept aside by climate alarmism. When I was a teenager, nuclear war was a real fear, and close. Remember the Cuban Crisis, 1962? Frying up the planet, melting the ice and driving millions of people from failed states to swarm others' lands ... Is this "stealing kids' future"? Are the pre-senile juvenophile leaders who took selfies with Greta (Angela Merkel et al) "stealing" her future or do they also have to consider the rights of the people in their own countries, and globally, who are trying to cope now and make a future for themselves and their children? 'Saving the world' in the Greta and deep green scenario means telling the poor and vulnerable to stay poor and vulnerable. Greta Thunberg is a remarkable girl (not yet a young woman), but she is a puppet. If her emotional state is as fragile as it appears to be, and which her promoters frequently point out, one hopes she won't be pushed over the edge. Greta is no Malala. The one so impassioned, childlike and vulnerable; the other so calm, mature and strong. As Greta weeps for the future we should weep for Greta.
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Post by epictetus on Sept 28, 2019 5:40:09 GMT 10
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